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Here’s the Thomas More Center’s press release, which notes that there was trouble at last year’s Dearborn Arab festival too. Evidently the cops were worried that the presence of Christian lit at a mostly Muslim event might produce some “excitement,” so they solved the problem by punishing the party that tried to peacefully exercise its rights. Note to the defendants: Don’t forget to ask for damages. A lot of damages.

The hysteria in the comments is quite funny. Sometimes when you try to IRL troll, you get the IRL banhammer.....

In reality: the cops did it to prevent trouble, any charges will most likely be dropped. From the perspective of the cops---what do you want on your report at the end of the night? "Arrested religious crazy" or "Broke up holy war during street fair".

This is, of course, Pride Weekend here in Chicago. The wife and I take the baby because it's a great family event loaded with the kind of inclusiveness that hardened Christians purport to represent. Attendance these days 'officially' approaches a half a million, but that's counting the parade only, and I don't think anybody argues with the idea that the whole of the pride event having a million attendees.

One of the things that can be counted on year after year, are white panel vans from the suburbs rolling in with their packs of derranged Jesus loons to 'protest'. A great source of pride amongst Chicagoans is our neighborhood system, and the LGBT community is largely recognized as a neighborhood owner. That is to say, much like the Irish or the Italians or the Polish - they have their own area, their own culture, their own resturants, and their own parties. The jeebus types are largely from South of the Mason Dixon (or something---who cares---somewhere that's not here) and don't really have a great understanding of exactly what life is the big city is (they are, after all---just country mice). So in effect, these Fred Phelps wannabes are doing an ever so hilarious reenactment of the first few moments of the famed Harlem sandwich board scene from Die Hard - really only making total fools of themselves. Thankfully, the Chicago Police sit on top of these people to preclude them from getting violent. Really it's quite sad that the event has to be tainted with police presence due to these urban foreigners.


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on Jun 29, 2010

DG: 

These guys aren't the jews.  The Dearborn police aren't the gestapo.  Obama is not Hitler. 

 


America will lose its freedoms, one right at a time.
Be honest:  do you really believe that? Or is this a bit?

No, I am pointing out parallels that are happening.  Not every persecutor is a Nazi, not every persecuted is a Jew, and not every fiend is a Hitler.  Nor did I say any were.  I merely pointed out there is a reason the ACLU defends Nazis.  For whatever reason you hate or love them, they do realize that we are just a "Civilian Defense Force" away from totalitarianism.

You may not like the Christians.  You may cheer when they get "put in their place".  But I do not.  I do not cheer liberals getting shouted down, nor do I cheer when some jackass is assaulted because he dared to speak out (regardless of what he is saying).  I know that if they can do that to people, then my rights are in danger as well.

I do sincerely believe that a right lost is one lost forever.  And who loses it does not matter.  Once lost by the most vile of us, it will be lost by all of us.  It only takes a Napoleon to get the sheep bleating a new mantra - for the good of all of course.

on Jun 29, 2010

So for expediency, you have abrogated rights for safety, the same thing that Germans did in 1933. In 1933, Hitler did not say he was coming after the Jews. That came later. One brick at a time. You just sold your freedom for safety. Trouble is, the man in power might like you now, but the next guy may not. After all, look at Russia. one thing was certain, when a leader died, if you were his friend, you either grabbed power or got out. So it is with your rights. You lost them when you decided it was better to stop a bunch of christians from passing out literature because some hot heads might take it the wrong way.

Well said Doc.

It is an educational experience in how America will lose its freedoms, one right at a time. And all for the sake of "safety".

And this is across the board, from the federal level (Patriot Act) to the local school board level(peer mediation).

 

 

 

on Jun 29, 2010

So for expediency, you have abrogated rights for safety, the same thing that Germans did in 1933.

america's most recent and egregious abrogations of liberty in favor of security are the so-called 'homeland security' and  'patriot' acts.  regarding the latter, their misleading and meaningless titles--nothing at all even vaguely patriotic there--couldn't be more evocative of that sort of totalitarian doublespeak orwell so artfully skewered. homeland security is a barely euphemistic revision of 'state security' combined with essence of those ol favorites 'motherland' and 'fatherland'.

wanna escape onerous municipal codes?  looking for a state where revelation trumps mere legislation?  wanna enjoy a community where bearing--and baring--arms is more than just some silly right?

waziristan beckons!  tear down the traffic signals mofackies!

on Jun 30, 2010

No, I am pointing out parallels that are happening. Not every persecutor is a Nazi, not every persecuted is a Jew, and not every fiend is a Hitler. Nor did I say any were. I merely pointed out there is a reason the ACLU defends Nazis. For whatever reason you hate or love them, they do realize that we are just a "Civilian Defense Force" away from totalitarianism.

You have to be joking.  Seriously.  Nobody could possibly believe that a couple of trolls getting bounced is some sort of 'parallel' is or even remotely analogous to Hitler, the Nazi's or Napolean. 

 

KB:  doncha just wish they'd succeed already? 

on Jun 30, 2010

You have to be joking. Seriously.

You have to be brain dead.  Seriously.

on Jun 30, 2010

You have to be brain dead. Seriously.

Oh god.  There's 3 people who believe we're 2 steps away from NAZI rule? 

on Jun 30, 2010

Oh god.  There's 3 people who believe we're 2 steps away from NAZI rule?

Actually, it's many many steps. But many of them are small. Then comes one big step which nobody will notice and then the remaining steps are taken very quickly.

 

on Jun 30, 2010

it's many many steps.

pretty much as many as are required to complete a marathon in this case. 

it's way worse than ridiculous to suggest some sort of correlation between an organization that arrogantly determines itself to be above the law, then openly defies authorities to take action against them AND law-abiding victims persecuted for no legal reason by totalitarian dictatorships.  it's disgusting and dishonorable.

invert the equation to find a couple much more valid connections

1. hitler's thugs also continually claimed to be victims of state power even as they torched the reichstad.

2. those who truly want a public forum--neo-nazis, for instance--make a point of fulfilling all legal requirements.  god must be really proud he's being represented by a gaggle of lames and losers who make even supremacist throwbacks appear to be good citizens by comparison.

on Jun 30, 2010

while it appears as if some of yall seem incapable of grasping basic legal concepts the first time around, i had no part in duplicating my previous response--so please feel free to dump this one.

on Jun 30, 2010

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on Jun 30, 2010

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on Jun 30, 2010

pretty much as many as are required to complete a marathon in this case. 

it's way worse than ridiculous to suggest some sort of correlation between an organization that arrogantly determines itself to be above the law, then openly defies authorities to take action against them AND law-abiding victims persecuted for no legal reason by totalitarian dictatorships.  it's disgusting and dishonorable.

The organisation that determined itself to be above the law was the party that didn't want the Christians to be heard or the Christians?

 

invert the equation to find a couple much more valid connections

Perhaps.

 

1. hitler's thugs also continually claimed to be victims of state power even as they torched the reichstad.

I myself find so-called "peace activists" roaming the streets much more Nazi-like then the states or governments they call "fascist".

 

2. those who truly want a public forum--neo-nazis, for instance--make a point of fulfilling all legal requirements.  god must be really proud he's being represented by a gaggle of lames and losers who make even supremacist throwbacks appear to be good citizens by comparison.

In my experience those neo-nazis who want a public forum just rename themselves "peace activists" and are then acknowledged as standing above the law.

In Germany the police even breaks into houses to remove Israeli flags from windows to appease the "peace activists" (who are STILL called "peace activists" by the media even when they call for the death of all Jews.

In Europe, or at least in Germany, the term "nazi" was simply redefined, as if the evil travelled with the term rather than with the ideology.

Whereas the Nazis of old were anti-semitic thugs who didn't care about citizenship or government authority the term "neo-nazi" is now usually used to describe people who are against foreigners, completely forgetting that Hitler's first and most targeted victims were German citizens, not foreigners whereas Hitler himself was a foreigner.

 

on Jun 30, 2010

You have to be joking. Seriously. Nobody could possibly believe that a couple of trolls getting bounced is some sort of 'parallel' is or even remotely analogous to Hitler, the Nazi's or Napolean.

Famous last words.  You mock it because you think you are on the "politically correct" side of it.  The problem is when they do take away the rights from the "trolls", how do you guarantee that the next bozo in the oval office is going to agree with you?  You cannot.  And that is why you have to defend the "least of us" to ensure your own rights. 

As for the "couple of trolls", that is how it started 77  years ago too. "Just this one little land grab!  Just this one little rights grab!".  I do not doubt you are chuckling at my paranoia about government and rights.  The problem with your chuckles is that I have history on my side, you only have myopia.

And I would suggest Google for your ignorance on Napoleon.  Try it with quotes and include Snowball.

Sidebar: as a newbie here, I would not appeal to kb for anything.  You will find that he likes to make outrageous accusations, but never supports them with anything approaching facts, and then cries and runs away when confronted on it.

on Jun 30, 2010

Egads - double post

on Jun 30, 2010

Leauki


Oh god.  There's 3 people who believe we're 2 steps away from NAZI rule?



Actually, it's many many steps. But many of them are small. Then comes one big step which nobody will notice and then the remaining steps are taken very quickly.

 

Exactly right.  And the major step appears to be the easy one in his view.  Just remove rights from the "trolls".  Simple enough and no one is harmed right?  Once you set precedence, the slippery slope is easy to negotiate.  Just sit on your ass and slide down it.

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