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Here’s the Thomas More Center’s press release, which notes that there was trouble at last year’s Dearborn Arab festival too. Evidently the cops were worried that the presence of Christian lit at a mostly Muslim event might produce some “excitement,” so they solved the problem by punishing the party that tried to peacefully exercise its rights. Note to the defendants: Don’t forget to ask for damages. A lot of damages.

The hysteria in the comments is quite funny. Sometimes when you try to IRL troll, you get the IRL banhammer.....

In reality: the cops did it to prevent trouble, any charges will most likely be dropped. From the perspective of the cops---what do you want on your report at the end of the night? "Arrested religious crazy" or "Broke up holy war during street fair".

This is, of course, Pride Weekend here in Chicago. The wife and I take the baby because it's a great family event loaded with the kind of inclusiveness that hardened Christians purport to represent. Attendance these days 'officially' approaches a half a million, but that's counting the parade only, and I don't think anybody argues with the idea that the whole of the pride event having a million attendees.

One of the things that can be counted on year after year, are white panel vans from the suburbs rolling in with their packs of derranged Jesus loons to 'protest'. A great source of pride amongst Chicagoans is our neighborhood system, and the LGBT community is largely recognized as a neighborhood owner. That is to say, much like the Irish or the Italians or the Polish - they have their own area, their own culture, their own resturants, and their own parties. The jeebus types are largely from South of the Mason Dixon (or something---who cares---somewhere that's not here) and don't really have a great understanding of exactly what life is the big city is (they are, after all---just country mice). So in effect, these Fred Phelps wannabes are doing an ever so hilarious reenactment of the first few moments of the famed Harlem sandwich board scene from Die Hard - really only making total fools of themselves. Thankfully, the Chicago Police sit on top of these people to preclude them from getting violent. Really it's quite sad that the event has to be tainted with police presence due to these urban foreigners.


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on Jun 26, 2010

LOL. Lula, is that you?

No, but I agree with everything KFC told you. You would be wise to give what she said great consideration.

 

on Jun 26, 2010

No, but I agree with everything KFC told you. You would be wise to give what she said great consideration.

 

Naturally.  "judgement day" and all that. 

When is this shit going to happen anyway? 

 

"nope.  He doesn't.  He must be very young."

KFC:  You're old and you believe that a man in the sky is coming back for an apocalypse.  Much like Lula, you're batshit insane. 

 

DG: 

Do you really and truly believe that there as much potential for violence when a kid is crying in a park as there is when Christians go to convert Muslims at a festival?  Do you seriously believe that?  or are you just playing a debate game? 

Please say the latter.  Please, please indicate that you don't really think the the two are the same.  Grant me some faith that you're not a total loon like Lula and KFC? 

 

 

 

 

on Jun 26, 2010

Do you really and truly believe that there as much potential for violence when a kid is crying in a park as there is when Christians go to convert Muslims at a festival? Do you seriously believe that? or are you just playing a debate game?

Do you read all the news?  Or just the parts that conform to your bias?  Clearly you do not understand or comprehend the issue of Free Speech.

Did anyone assault you for the crying child?  Did anyone assault anyone at the Muslim festival?  I would bet no to the first and we know the answer to the second.

But here is where you are failing.  Did anyone get violent at the Anti-Gay demonstration in LA?  Did anyone get violent at the KKK march in Indiana?  What was the response of the police in both cases?

They stopped the violent people, not the rights of the people to express their views.

So again, think.  You agree with the police.  Whether I do or not is irrelevant.  But the next time, you take your child to a park  She cries.  Some old guy gets hot about it disturbing his peace.  The cops arrest YOU for disturbing the peace.

And you say "I deserved it".

Ok, so take your medicine.  Or think about what you are saying.

on Jun 26, 2010

Right. Except one has the very real potential to start a riot.

First, that's an opinion based on stereotypes, and all this time I thought stereotyping was wrong. Second, and you keep ignoring this, arresting people for doing something that is completely legal is beyond the pale, whether you agree with them or not. You keep saying that in this instance it's okay, but the thing about that is, you are dead wrong. Your personal beef with religion doesn't change that. There is never a situation where it is okay to arrest someone for conducting legal activity. Never.

on Jun 26, 2010

There is never a situation where it is okay to arrest someone for conducting legal activity.

In the Holder Justice Department, attacking legal activity (SB 1070) has a much higher priority than attacking illegal activity (NBPP Philly voter intimidation).  So, sad to say, we're getting much closer to it being 'okay'.

on Jun 26, 2010

Naturally. "judgement day" and all that.

When is this shit going to happen anyway?

At the end of the world or when we die, whichever comes first.

The four last things are Death, Judgment, Heaven or Hell.

At the end of the world is the General Judgment.....at our death is the Particular Judgment.

 

 

on Jun 26, 2010

Do you read all the news? Or just the parts that conform to your bias?

What bias? There's no bias here.  It just is

 

Did anyone get violent at the KKK march in Indiana?

Actually.  Yes. 

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Some old guy gets hot about it disturbing his peace.  The cops arrest YOU for disturbing the peace.

[quote]

Good luck with that. 

 

First, that's an opinion based on stereotypes, and all this time I thought stereotyping was wrong.

?

 

econd, and you keep ignoring this, arresting people for doing something that is completely legal is beyond the pale,

Well they were arrested for disorderly conduct, which is illegal. 

 

 

 

on Jun 26, 2010

the LGBT community is largely recognized as a neighborhood owner.

(here's an apology in advance: sometimes a horrible pun just appears outta nowhere and i lose all control.)

been years since i spent any time in chicago; is that neighborhood's geographical location centered at the near northside intersection of queerborn and perversion? 

(dammit, i really tried to restrain myself...guess it's back to Step 1 for me.)

 

on Jun 26, 2010

dunno if this will help clarify what actually happened as opposed to what is being interpreted as having happened. 

be sure to note that this group was offered space by the festival as were other similar groups.

they'd hardly exhausted all legal avenues (please note: i made it past that potential bad pun).

 

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=573340

DETROIT, MI – A federal judge has denied an evangelical group’s request for permission to hand out Christian literature on sidewalks at an Arab festival in Dearborn, Michigan.

U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds denied Anaheim, Calif.-based Arabic Christian Perspective’s request for a temporary restraining order. The group describes itself in its court filing as “a national ministry established for the purpose of proclaiming the Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ to Muslims …(that) travels around the country attending and distributing Christian literature at Muslim festivals and mosques.”

A lawyer for the group said it would seek a permanent injunction against the city of Dearborn. “It’s not over,” said Robert J. Muise of the Thomas More Law Center, an Ann Arbor-based Christian rights advocacy group.

Another lawyer on the case said the Dearborn officials action could be part of what he described as a broader Muslim legal attack on critics of Islam in our “Judeo-Christian nation.”

“Muslims are using the courts in this country to stop our free speech rights,” said William J. Becker Jr., a Los Angeles attorney who has represented a number of prominent critics of Islam.

The 14th annual Dearborn Arab International Festival is expected to draw hundreds of thousands of visitors Friday through Sunday to the city that has the Detroit area’s greatest concentration of Arab-Americans.

Festival organizer Fay Beydoun said the evangelical group was being offered a good spot in an area with a number of other religious, nonprofit and political groups. “You have to pass right in front of it to get anywhere,” said Beydoun, executive director of the American Arab Chamber of Commerce.

Southeastern Michigan has about 300,000 people with roots in the Arab world. It includes large numbers of both Muslims and Christians.

The group sued Dearborn after police told the Rev. George Saieg members would need to restrict literature distribution to a designated table-and-booth section of the festival site.

The city said safely accommodating the 150,000 daily festival-goers requires limits on where people can leaflet. It said other Christian and Muslim groups already have tables and booths for distributing material at the festival.

City officials say anyone is free to have conversations — but not leaflet — on sidewalks within the festival’s barricades.

“It appears to be a legitimate governmental interest for crowd control and safety,” Edmunds said in denying the request. “The festival area is more akin to a fair than a normal city street.”

on Jun 26, 2010

you take your child to a park She cries. Some old guy gets hot about it disturbing his peace.

for a moment i thought this was a hypothetical...

on Jun 27, 2010

So after looking at a lot of articles about this, it appears that the whole story is fuzzy at best. It looks like the Christians were trying to get a reaction--not from the Muslims but the police (who got some heat last year for overreacting)... and they succeeded. Did they do anything illegal? They say no, the cops say yes. Surprise, surprise. My take is, even if they didn't have a permit, arresting them is over the top, roughly akin to arresting someone for jaywalking. If they were asked several times to knock it off and didn't (which I haven't been able to tell if anybody's making that claim, and the video that I found seems to indicate that that is not what happened, but even so), then the arrest was legit and I have no beef with it.

The thing is, they were not arrested for passing out literature without a permit (probably not an arrestable offense)--they were arrested for "disorderly conduct".  And there was no indication of that at all. That seems to be a catch-all for when they can't think of what actual crime happened.

The lawsuit has already begun. It'll be interesting to see how it comes out.

on Jun 27, 2010

What bias? There's no bias here. It just is.

No, there is bias all the time.  The trick is to recognize it and admit it.  Then you can understand better since you know your bias and where you are coming from.

Good luck with that.

No, my youngest is 17.  YOu have to worry about that.  It is a real concern based upon your beliefs.  Not everyone (hardly anyone actually) likes a crying child.

Well they were arrested for disorderly conduct, which is illegal.

You saw the tape.  Free speech is now disorderly conduct?  Welcome to 1984.

on Jun 27, 2010

The thing is, they were not arrested for passing out literature without a permit (probably not an arrestable offense)--they were arrested for "disorderly conduct". And there was no indication of that at all. That seems to be a catch-all for when they can't think of what actual crime happened.

Good point.  And it goes back to my original statement about laws and police arresting you for anything.  They can arrest you and charge you with anything.  Proving it in court is another matter and none will be.  But unfortunately the police will be acting like gestapo in some instances, and this appears to be one of them.

on Jun 27, 2010

They can arrest you and charge you with anything.

I remember some years ago we had a young lady from our church who wanted to pass out literature at a huge state fair.  She stood outside the entrance and was passing out tracts, peacefully, when she was asked by the local police to leave.   She did so not wanting to be a bad example as she was a law abiding citizen.  Then was told this violated her freedom so she went back out the next day.  Basically what it came down to was she could not stand on the property (private property) but they had to allow her to do her thing along the area of the street.   The cops didn't tell her this.  They just wanted her gone. 

 

on Jun 27, 2010

Grant me some faith that you're not a total loon like Lula and KFC?

ahhhhhh so this is the crux of the whole matter eh?  You're just anti-Christian.  Why not just come out and admit it?

You'd be very surprised, to know, that I'm about as normal and plain as vanilla ice cream.  I'm a mom to three grown boys and the grandmother of three young children.  I run, bike, swim, line dance,  and love to watch TV and read good books...it's the one book in question you don't like and makes me a loon in your eyes, isn't it? 

Well your believing I'm a loon just because I believe in the God of the bible can be turned into a double sided argument.  I can say you're a loon, an ignorant loon to boot, because you don't belive in the God of the bible. 

There, we're even. 

 

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