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Published on June 8, 2010 By dan_l In Blogging

Yeah. I don't know. Village Voice:

As Lorenzana's lawsuit puts it, her bosses told her that "as a result of the shape of her figure, such clothes were purportedly 'too distracting' for her male colleagues and supervisors to bear."

I actually had to chew on this article for a couple of days to figure out what I really think the idea as a whole. I actually ended up consulting the smartest feminist I know on it. The nut of her answer:

So, yes, there is a well established history in gender in our culture for the claims she is making. Very much so. But, that's not the question here (or, at least, is shouldn't be the question ... unfortunately some morons out there still question this shit), the question is whether or not it's the case for her.

To which I say, she stole my answer:)

This woman's story is perfectly plausible. Now this plausibility is based on a few assumptions which I fully admit could be wrong in this case. Retail banks do (at least the ones here) have a tendancy to hire attractive women at a rate that seems disproportionate. However, in my experience, these attractive women are mainly occupying the 'pink' desks while managerial positions are most often occupied by men. Regardless of reasoning, additional considerations, in my experience this seems to be the case. This is not to say it's the same situation at this woman's bank.

In that environment, it is not difficult to perceive how some casual misogyny or more aggressive variants might exist. It really doesn't require a huge stretch to see potential for her story to stick.

Now, conversely, there's some things in the VV story which put up some red flags. I'll let you folks go have a read through and see what you can see, but suffice to say I usually find myself leaning in favor of the victim in cases like this. Here---not so sure.

----------finishing my thought----------

Alright. I think I have it. I struggled a bit to find the right way to articulate it here.

It's an issue of the portrayal.

She got set up with this VV piece, which spends as much time on the woman's taste in shoes as it does on story. In fact, it spends a lot of time talking about how attractive this woman is. I'm apparently not the only one who noticed.

Dwoskin closes in a similar vein, speculating that the case's arbitrator might "be too distracted by Lorenzana to focus on the evidence." Clearly she's trying to be light-hearted, but ogling Lorenzana in print the way her coworkers apparently did in life does a disservice to the seriousness of her discrimination claims.

Which is an understatement like saying that the a-bomb did 'quite a bit' of damage to Hiroshima.

Couple that with the photoshoot for the court case. Ya know, that's hard core client prep right there. In a case where the point is she's so hot that she got fired, take a bunch of pictures of her that show that she wasn't dress inappropriately like they say, she's just hot. PS: As an aside, I see this attorney's web site, and I think media whore on a quest to do Letterman. But I'll let you decide if I'm off base with it.

So maybe it's not that the story isn't right. It's just a bad picture being painted.


Comments
on Jun 07, 2010

Many states are "right to work:" which means a company can fire you for any reason.  I know NY is not one of them, so there may be some issues.  Still, I cannot imagine a work environment where someone is too pretty (unless members of the same sex are complaining).  They (women in my case) are nice to look at, but when you are working with them 8 hours a day 5 days a week, you do get use to it.

on Jun 07, 2010

Hey Dan,

If you don't mind me going off topic here for a sec but can I ask how you came to joeuser? It's a simple curiosity since things have been slow lately around here and all of a sudden you show up and have a lot to post (which I think it's a great). It's a simply curiousity as I have been trying to promote joeuser so that more people can join.

Back on topic,

First let me say she is definitely hot. She fits 2 out of 3 things I look for in women, a beauty for my taste (not everyone sees beauty the same way) and a working girl. The third one would be intelligence but since the story doesn't detail that part of her I can't say whether she fits my third like. Although suing is a good indication(and a bad one too, LOL).

I hope she wins, I think it's unfair for her to be fired simply because she was hotter than the other girls. Talk about discrimination.

on Jun 07, 2010

They (women in my case) are nice to look at, but when you are working with them 8 hours a day 5 days a week, you do get use to it.

maybe not so much but you can learn. I mean seriously, if you can;t handle a beautiful women next to you then you got issues and I feel bad for your wife or girlfiend.

on Jun 07, 2010

If you don't mind me going off topic here for a sec but can I ask how you came to joeuser?

Seems he wore out his welcome at his last blog.

on Jun 07, 2010

maybe not so much but you can learn. I mean seriously, if you can;t handle a beautiful women next to you then you got issues and I feel bad for your wife or girlfiend.

Apparently many cant, and that is why there is divorce.  And sexual harassment cases.

on Jun 07, 2010

If you don't mind me going off topic here for a sec but can I ask how you came to joeuser? It's a simple curiosity since things have been slow lately around here and all of a sudden you

First:  I'm not really one for the on topic/off topic stuff.  I really don't care.  To me, a good blog post should generate a little bit of both types of comments. 

As to how I came here, you can blame Microsoft.  Basically, I'm stuck with crappy windows XP at work.  That's bad, because I'm high productivity and XP sucks out of the box for getting stuff done.  I ended up buying a copy of fences (fences free has been part of my "Stuff Windows Needs To Not Cause Herpes" for some time).  Impulse or Stardock pointed me here. 

Simultaneously, I was thinking about a little blogging.  For as much as I love the huge fire power of drupal or joomla, that stuff is a hellova lot of work to have any fun with it, so I set up shop here. 

 

 

I'm still not totally sold on this woman's story.  There's something 'weird' about it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Jun 07, 2010

Maybe it's just that the guy who wrote it is a tool.